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Post by Ricardo de Souza on Sept 12, 2016 14:15:22 GMT
Dear all,
The issue of L2 phonology tends to be viewed by many teachers as relevant only to the achievement of mastery of L2 pronunciation in speech production. However, the acquisition of the L2 phonological system may also prove relevant for another important skill for successful L2 communication: listening comprehension.
To evaluate if you agree with the statement above, watch the following lecture:
Can you think of situations in which either yourself or your students experienced difficulty in listening comprehension that could be related to a shortcoming in phonological knowledge?
How can successful listening comprehension be achieved in English L2?
We look forward to seeing your contributions to this forum!
Ricardo de Souza & Marisa Carneiro
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Post by Lívia Sampaio on Sept 16, 2016 10:34:30 GMT
Thinking about the students' difficulty related to the listening comprehension came up the bottom up and top down concepts to my mind. Based on bottom up related to how the word is spoken and the top-down related to what is the listener expecting to listen, I believe to help our students to achieve a successful comprehension in English L2 is always to previously put them in contact to the topic will be spoken. Pre - teach new words and vocabulary related to the topic can make them more confortable and confident when listening to something. Guide them to try to get key words that will help understanding the context because usually students block their minds when listening to something they don't know the meaning, and usually this specific word won't disturb the global comprehension.
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Post by Dayse Lucide Sacramento on Sept 16, 2016 14:50:46 GMT
Can you think of situations in which either yourself or your students experienced difficulty in listening comprehension that could be related to a shortcoming in phonological knowledge?
- In fact, yes, the video you have posted in our last forum ceigroup5.freeforums.net, about "speaking Monolingually in one´s L2, the video "The Mutilingual Mind/Alexa Pearce/TEDxNYU, I almost was not understanding what Alexa was speaking, I tried over and over again to understand her better. It was awful. Is it a case?
How can successful listening comprehension be achieved in English L2?
- As a student, I can say that the immersion in an universe of a foreign language, I mean, if we have an opportunity to live abroad is one of the best things we can do when we are trying to learn a second language. Our perception becomes much more alert, our hearing keener and we are 24 hours listening to a different sound, new words, other references that sometimes is not possible here. I think it can help a lot.
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Post by Thainara Padrini on Sept 17, 2016 4:38:32 GMT
Hi again! In my opinion it is relevant for both pronunciation and listening comprehension. As a student,I have experienced it myself. So many times when I was practicing my oral skills I noticed the importance of the phonological knowledge. It is all connected. I am working on improving it because I really need it. A fault or failure to meet a certain standard, in phonological field can affect listening comprehension.For instance,there were times when I was learning a new word and and I listened the pronunciation in a wrong way and didn’t know nothing about the correct sound.Then I started to relate that word to a wrong meaning and also my speech was in a incorrect form. According to the video listening comprehension can be successful achieved in English L2 when the sounds of a language are heard, interpreted and understood through the speech perception. After processing the initial auditory signal, speech sounds are further processed to extract acoustic cues and phonetic information. This speech information can then be used for higher-level language processes, such as word recognition Jurgen Hadke (2012). Thank you. Thainara Padrini
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Post by marcosdeassis on Sept 18, 2016 20:10:23 GMT
Exposure is one of the most important aspects for successful listening comprehension. If the students are used to a particular accent and they are exposed to a different variety, they could have difficulties. However, that does not mean complete lack of comprehension; as they are exposed to that particular variety or dialect, they will rely on the context and the familiar words they hear, and soon enough they will start understanding it better. Successful listening comprehension can be achieved by frequently exposing students to different accents other than the standard American and British accents. Immersion is another very effective way to acquaint yourself with the target language. I went through an "awkward" situation in the beginning of this year; I needed technical assistance for my Google Account, so they contacted me through e-mail and scheduled a phone call to try to solve the issue I was having. When I received the call, it was an Indian technician with that trademark accent and it took us quite a while to fix the problem, but we managed to understand each other. This is the other fundamental key to a successful listening comprehension: persistence.
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Post by Vinícius Borges de M. Cardoso on Sept 18, 2016 20:39:00 GMT
Although I believe that we shouldn’t only teach isolated words in listening comprehension, the video talks about understanding of isolated words and not contextualized speech. For that reason, throughout my comment I’m considering understanding of isolated words.
In my opinion, our teaching methods are still too dependent on written signifiers. Lower students can relate those signifiers to the signified easily, but a more advanced learners can find quite difficult to match the signifier to a clear signified.
When talking about listening comprehension in SLA, I believe that the key point to understand a word is matching the sound (signifier) to the word (signifier) and therefore understand the concept (signified).
In the video the speaker demonstrates some confusing sounds such as /p/ and /b/ or /f/ and /v/. Thinking of that, it made me remind of my first lessons in a language course and the teacher highlighted some words that a longer or shorter sound makes a different word, such as /ʃɪp/ and /ʃiːp/ and /hiːt/ and /hɪt/. Nowadays my lower students also face the same problems and become flustered because they think they won’t be able to understand all the nuances in the language.
One activity that we use in the language course in which I work is the “read along”. This activity is only used as extra activities for the weaker students. The idea is to students choose one piece of listening and, at home, they listen to the track and read aloud at the same time. The intention is that students should realize their mistakes on the spot and self-correct. I really don’t know how scientifically or efficient is that strategy, but at least students became self-aware of their mistakes and I believe it helped to reduce their errors.
Another strategy that I use is to teach first the sound and later the written word. Again, I’m not sure about the scienfic evidences and efficiency and I only use these strategies because is the instruction that my coordinator gave to me. However, the intention is to students get used to the sound before seeing its spelling and I believe it's worth the effort.
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Post by VANESSA LEROY on Sept 18, 2016 22:39:37 GMT
Can you think of situations in which either yourself or your students experienced difficulty in listening comprehension that could be related to a shortcoming in phonological knowledge?
I think that one example of it is when you listen something in L2 with strong accent / prnunciation that makes us build up some wrong interpretations. One of us mention Alexa TED VIDEO and I totally agree, because I have had some difficulty to understand.
How can successful listening comprehension be achieved in English L2?
So, with my students I always propose them contact with listening in movies or songs, nd maybe native conversation, to imerge them into culture and changing levels week by week, get them involved in listening approaches and pronunciation.
Thanks see you
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Post by Rafaela Santos de Paula on Sept 18, 2016 22:54:24 GMT
I think the difficulty of listening is part lack of practice and part the teacher's approach. I agree with Livia when she talked about "the bottom up and top down concepts", since this approaches tends to influence the perception of the students of the language. The students are used to a certain way of speaking taught in class, so when they face a different accent, different words or different ways of saying the same thing, they don't understand. I face this challenge everyday, since I speak in class in American accent and the audio tracks we use in class normally have British speakers. Also, depending on the level of the students, I tend to speak slowly or faster, and in the audio tracks the speakers always speak really fast!
I've met a British guy a few years ago, and he was saying that his hometown accent is really hard for outsiders to understand. I asked his "what do you mean?" and he said "we normally don't say the letter 't', so we speak like this: is i ho in your counry?" and I was completely lost. I had a hard time to understand what he was saying, but with time I started to pick up things here and there. Different accents is hard sometimes, and when the person speaks really fast is also a challenge.
I always say to my students to listen to music or watch movies and pay attention to the pronunciation, because is a great way to expand their awareness of the language. Giving listening exercises, movies and music in class is a great way to improve listening and speaking, since this two are intertwined. As my music professor always said, "you have to listen first, so you can do it later". Listening and repeating is a great way to self-correct and self-improve. Not only students, but we, teachers, should always pay attention to pronunciation and always try to improve ourselves.
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Post by Marcia Cristina Ferreira Silva on Sept 18, 2016 23:11:57 GMT
After watched a video from Jurgen Hadke (2012),there are many aspects to make the listening succesful.One of them is the importance to understand the speech process to acquire a language.The right pronunciation of the sounds and the right position of the tongue avoid mistakes when the learner should pronounce phonemes which don't exist in portuguese.In my opinion to activited the listening skill, the L2 learner should be expose to the variety of accent as an effective way to learn languages.
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Post by Rafael Rocha on Sept 19, 2016 1:33:51 GMT
The issue of L2 phonology is also directly connected with the understanding that we have of the language, which is our auditory or listening reception. When we expanded the discussion on the effects of L2 phonology, we must keep in mind the idea that when linguistic problems are solved by phonological studies the ability to interact with the real L2 becomes really effective. I had many problems with some sounds especially some consonant sounds, yet when, in the graduation these problems were repaired by the phonology lessons I had with Doctor Ricardo. I could see another level in my language, the perception of a new linguistic world opened up and I was able to understand with more dexterity the subtleties of the language and its variations, then my mental amplitude has been effectively configured. The listening comprehension can be reached in English L2 through immersion in the language and a constant exposure to the language, with these ingredients there is no student who does not learn properly.
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Post by Priscila Queiroz on Sept 19, 2016 2:42:45 GMT
Can you think of situations in which either yourself or your students experienced difficulty in listening comprehension that could be related to a shortcoming in phonological knowledge?
Of course, when it come to students that do not expose themselves in listening constantly English of any kind, they will definitely have difficulty in listening skill. When a student of mine come to me and say that sometimes they can´t undestand diferent sounds, if it is an "F" or a "V". or words that can sound the same such as "Saturday" and "sad today".
I feel that dificulty when I listen to a Jamaican speaking. I can undestand one word out of 10.
How can successful listening comprehension be achieved in English L2?
BY exposing more to the language, it would be a great alternative and that is what i suggest my students. Listen and read at the same time, can help one to connect better the informations acquired. The exercises in the textbooks that works with isolated words is a good match too for the student to mingle and work listening skills problems.
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Post by renataperezromaniuk on Sept 19, 2016 11:25:29 GMT
Hello, Everyone!
Whenever a person decides to study a new language, everything related to the teaching and learning process is valid. The best method to learn something may vary from person to person. So, it is important to reinforce that you have to find out which way fits better for you. As a student, the biggest problems I had was listening comprehension because the method I was learning used a lot of “key sentences” and every time a new word showed up, I used to get confused and I was not able to understand that completely. When I noticed it could interfere on my fluency, I started training it more until I got more comfy with that. It worked out really well for me. As a teacher, I also try to show my pupils that learning a new language depends on the student. The more a person exposes himself to the language, difficulties start disappearing. You don’t need to know all he words in a text to understand its main idea, for example. Successful listening comprehension can only be achieved in English L2 if you make it part of your routine; listening to different people speaking on L2, through music, through ted talks… There are many options!
Renata Perez Romaniuk
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Post by Liliane Carvalhaes on Sept 19, 2016 16:30:06 GMT
Exposure is one of the most important aspects for successful listening comprehension. If the students are used to a particular accent and they are exposed to a different variety, they could have difficulties. However, that does not mean complete lack of comprehension; as they are exposed to that particular variety or dialect, they will rely on the context and the familiar words they hear, and soon enough they will start understanding it better. Successful listening comprehension can be achieved by frequently exposing students to different accents other than the standard American and British accents. Immersion is another very effective way to acquaint yourself with the target language. I went through an "awkward" situation in the beginning of this year; I needed technical assistance for my Google Account, so they contacted me through e-mail and scheduled a phone call to try to solve the issue I was having. When I received the call, it was an Indian technician with that trademark accent and it took us quite a while to fix the problem, but we managed to understand each other. This is the other fundamental key to a successful listening comprehension: persistence. Very interesting point once again Marcos. Exposure and immersion are indeed the best options when learning a foreign language. They give the learner a whole new perspective on the L2 learnign process. I´ve been through a similar situation as you reagarding the Indian technician. When we hear a strong accent it is really difficult to understand at first but as you said, persistence is key. It pays a big role.
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Post by Túlio Santos on Sept 19, 2016 16:36:13 GMT
Hi there!
Well, difficulty in listening comprehension is something that is part of my routine as an English teacher, especially while teaching adults. I see that they struggle with segmental features at times, but, for the most part, what is really hard for them to deal with is suprasegmental features, being connected speech the "champion" among their difficulties. The way I see it, anxiety and the need to understand everything said are key factors that hinder their understanding as they expect to listen to particular words as if they were individual units, and not as parts of a whole. What I try to do in order to help them overcome this difficulty is, like some of my classmates have already mentioned, to get them to listen to different varieties of English to show them that there's more to the English language than what they may have seen in class. This way, it is crucial to let them have access to authentic material, making them see how differently the language they're learning can be used and perceived.
As for me, I've mostly been exposed to North American English and, to a lesser degree, to British English. Depending on where the speaker is from, especially if from Australia, New Zealand, Ireland or some parts of the UK, I may find it difficult to understand them at first, as I could either mistake a word for another because of the phonological production of specific sounds or even see some words as being ambiguous. Just as an example, I remember going to beach with an Australian guy I met in Rio and I have the clear memory of him saying something that sounded like "wives" when in fact he was talking about waves. I got what he said relatively fast, but because there was a context involved. To conclude, I believe the best way for me to understand spoken language as an English learner (which I'll always be) is the same strategy I use with my students: be exposed to as many different forms and dialects as possible.
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Post by Liliane Carvalhaes on Sept 19, 2016 16:41:32 GMT
As an English teacher , I always tell my students that listening comes first. We learn to listen first and then we start to speak. I explain them that it is a smiliar process a baby goes thru before he or she statrts to speak their native language. So, teaching our students to listen is really a challenge and we must not give up. Although every learner has diferent needs and ways of learning, the listening skill must be used and worked at all times in the classroom. Repetition I believe leads to perfection. Listening to different people speaking will help our students to achieve their best.
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